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<< Previous   of   Next >> (click to enlarge) Former Everett resident Mitchell Warriner lives with his fiance Tiare in Oregon. He is writing a book about the assassination of President Kennedy.   ADVERTISEMENT   CONTACT THE HERALD Robert Frank, City Editor frank@heraldnet.com   Published: Monday, November 9, 2009 Digging into JFK’s death remains a lifelong passion By Kristi O'Harran, Herald Columnist Persistent passion is something to behold. I wrote about Mitchell Warriner 10 years ago, when he was 16, and deeply concerned about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. It wasn’t a phase. He plans to go to law school and is writing a book, “The Consequence of Truth: A Study Into the Investigation of Jim Garrison and the Trial of Clay Shaw,” about an assassination investigation by a New Orleans district attorney. “Jim Garrison was later portrayed in Oliver Stone’s film ‘JFK’ by Kevin Costner,” Warriner said. “I have never lost my interest into what occurred nearly 46 years ago, which I still maintain was a major pivotal turning point in our American history.” He wasn’t even alive when us older folks watched television for four straight days after our president was murdered. Warriner continues to care because the assassination affected the whole world, he said. “It all began when those shots ripped apart our president’s head, and then two days later his accused assassin is killed on national television,” said Warriner, who now lives in Beaverton, Ore. “I must ask what kind of a democracy this is when the government continues to conceal vital evidence regarding our president’s death under the guise of national security.” His family moved from Everett, and Warriner graduated from high school in Astoria, Ore. He joined the Army National Guard after high school and served for eight years including duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Warriner is engaged to Tiare Sider and is helping raise Kailea, 11, whose father died when she was 3 years old. Warriner and Sider have a daughter, Mikala, born in 2005. Ten years ago, I wrote about his telephone chats with former President Gerald Ford. They spoke on the phone twice, after Warriner sent Ford a letter about Ford’s work on the Warren Commission that investigated the 1963 assassination. “I was the person who answered the phone,” said Kelley Hansen, Warriner’s mother. “I asked if he realized that he was asking for a child. He stated that yes, he was aware of Mitchell’s age. He went on to say that he was so impressed that a youngster would have such an interest in politics, that he felt it was his duty to continue to inspire young Mitchell.” The pair had rather heated conversations, Warriner said. Warriner didn’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone shooter in Dallas, Texas. While researching the case, he requested top secret documents through the Freedom of Information Act. Word spread about his intense interest. The CIA, FBI and Office of Naval Intelligence called his Everett home. When the agencies called, his mother ran interference. The inquisitive boy was 10 years old. “In elementary school, while the other kids were getting children’s books at the library, I was getting thick books about the presidents,” the young man said. “I asked ‘Who got assassinated?’ I got kind of interested.” When he finishes law school, he may move to Washington D.C., Warriner said, to make a difference. He will continue the work of his life. “We as Americans deserve to know the truth,” he said. “Don’t take the government’s verdict on everything.” He is known to quote author Ella Wheeler Wilcox who said “To sin by silence while others doth protest makes cowards out of men.” He does not sit idly. “I speak loudly because I feel that we as Americans deserve to know the truth. Not just about the assassination of President Kennedy, but about Watergate, Iran-Contra, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, everything.” His mother said she isn’t surprised that her son is still passionate about the assassination. “Mitchell firmly believes there was a conspiracy to kill JFK,” Hansen said. “He also believes that there are still many unanswered questions regarding the assassination.” She said any book her son writes about the assassination will be worth reading. It will be penned by a passionate researcher. Kristi O’Harran: 425-339-3451, oharran@heraldnet.com. READER COMMENTS Log in or register to post new comment | Log out A Lifelong passion Some people never learn. I warned Mr. Lowry about using the discredited John McAdams web site, but he persists. Only on McAdams' web site can Jim Phelan still be called an insider. James Phelan was not an "insider', he was a liar from the beginning. As he did not write about Garrison's vice campaign in the Saturday Evening Post as he said he did. David Chandler wrote the essay, and Phelan only put his name over it. Joan Mellen unearthed that fact in her biography of Garrison. You won't find it on McAdams web site. Phelan was further revealed to be a liar on the stand at the Shaw trial. (See Destiny Betrayed, pgs. 202-203) Documents later revealed that he was a an FBI informant at the time he worked on the Garrison case, and also an asset of the FDA. When confronted with the declassified documents that revealed he was a stoolie, he still lied. (See The Assassinations, pgs 313-318 for a long and detailed expose about Phelan's compromised career.) How anyone can take this fabricator seriously today is incomprehensible. Only on McAdams' web site could it happen. The idea that the CIA did not torpedo Garrison's inquiry is silly. Former CIA agent Bill Boxley admitted he was an infiltrator to Lou Ivon and, later, that there was a Garrison Desk at CIA. Further, the new CIA docs prove this by saying such a group did exist and they thought Shaw would be convicted if Garrison was not interfered with. We have this in the actual documents now for all to see. (See Part 5 b of "Tom Hanks, Gary Goetzman and Bugliosi's Bungle" at ctka.net.) So they went ahead and interfered and obstructed Garrison's case. I detail with precision and evidence how this was done in that essay. The declassified files of the ARRB were very helpful in this regard. Garrison became a state judge because two phony trials led to his defeat for re-election as DA--and the end of his investigation of the Kennedy case. The fact they were malicious and false prosecutions is proven beyond doubt in his book. The prosecution suborned perjury and then falsified tape recordings. (See Chapter 19, On the Trial of the Assassins.) The object was to defeat Garrison, and then get a more friendly DA in the office who would destroy Garrison's evidence. Which Harry Connick admitting doing. He ordered grand jury testimony on the Kennedy case to be burned and evidence files destroyed. He then lied about it. (See part 5a of the aforementioned article at ctka.net) The rest of what Mr. Lowry says is nothing but cheap smears. This empty bombast is meant to detract from the fact that I, like about 80% of the public in the USA, and probably more abroad, think President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy. Lowry and Mr. McAdams, like the Warren Commission, and people in the MSM, believe in the Magic Bullet theory--that a bullet can go through two people, seven layers of skin, smash two bones, change direction through soft tissue, and then reverse trajectory and force its way back out of a wound. And after all that, emerge intact, with no blood or tissue on it. They also believes that when people are struck by rifle blasts from the rear, they ricochet with tremendous force backwards towards the rifle blast. And both of these bizarre reactions and events, which no one can recall happening before, occurred to one person in six seconds. Oh, really? That's a hard one to sell Mr. Lowry. As Garrison termed it, It's a fairy tale. Keep on trying to reverse the laws of physics though. Maybe one day you can prove Newton and Galileo wrong. But it won't be outside of McAdam's web site. Jim DiEugenio James DiEugenio | Dec 2, 2009 12:21 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal The Breathtaking Absurdity of Tom Lowry & John McAdams Mr. Lowry, the only thing that is “breathtaking in its absurdity” is that you continue to use sources such as Patricia Lambert, Edward Jay Epstein, and John McAdams as if these are highly respectable and reliable people. You ignore the scholars on the Garrison investigation: Joan Mellen, Bill Davy, Jim DiEugenio and Paris Flammonde, and even more incredible, you ignore the evidence itself that lies at the National Archives in College Park, Maryland. It is interesting that you quote Lou Ivon, Garrison’s chief investigator, as stating that he received “negative results” while searching New Orleans for “Clay Bertrand.” I had the opportunity to interview Lou Ivon* and I learned quite the opposite. Ivon had indeed found many people that identified Clay Shaw as Clay Bertrand, however those people refused to go on the record for the reason that most of those people were infuriated with Jim Garrison due to his crackdown on Bourbon Street (This issue is appropriately covered in Joan Mellen’s book A Farewell to Justice, pp. 121-127). Three homosexuals in New Orleans and two in San Francisco confirmed that Shaw and Bertrand were one and the same. The names of the people that confirmed Shaw as Bertrand is extensive: Barbara Bennett, Rickey Planche, Valentine Ashworth, Greg Donnelly, Thomas Breitner, Raymond Broshears, David Logan, Jessie Parker, Ronald R. Raymond – and it goes on and on. Go ahead Mr. Lowry, travel to the Archives and take a look for yourself. It is all there. I will not bother to go into the credibility of Edward Jay Epstein, the man who admired and held a friendship with James Jesus Angleton, the chief of the CIA’s Counter-Intelligence unit. See Epstein’s book Legend, and you will see that Angleton is acknowledged. Enough said! Patricia Lambert, which you say wrote the “definitive debunking of Garrison’s neurological fiasco.” Lambert used many sources in her book that have all been proven to be compromised. One of those sources is James Phelan, a longtime FBI informant and the man who provided the FBI with many of Garrison’s documents. The ARRB had three FBI documents released to the public which exposed Phelan’s doings. It has also been learned that Phelan and Lambert were longtime friends, and Phelan’s own daughter referred to Lambert as her godmother!** Lambert wrote that David Ferrie and Clay Shaw did not know each other, and this has been torn to bits and pieces. Even Lou Ivon, Garrison’s chief investigator, stated that David Ferrie himself had admitted to knowing Clay Shaw! Ferrie had even told Ivon that Shaw hated President Kennedy while Lambert depicts Shaw as a liberal who deeply admired Kennedy. If this is not enough, Patricia Lambert spends a good portion of her book claiming that Clay Bertrand was Eugene Davis. David vehemently denied ever using this alias, and the man who claimed Davis was Bertrand was none other than Dean Andrews, the man who “feared” for his life if he talked about Bertrand. Andrews, to this date, is the only person who ever stated that Davis was Bertrand. What of Andrews? He was charged with perjury and convicted! This is “breathtaking in its absurdity.” Authors Jim DiEugenio and Bill Davy dealt with Lambert at length, and I suggest interested readers view http://www.ctka.net/pr599-lambert.html. The claim that Garrison and Carlos Marcello were connected is also another myth. This came about in September 1967 when Life magazine printed stories stating that Garrison had mob connections. Now this is something! Garrison spends his time padlocking all illegal pinball operations in New Orleans, and shutting down all B-drinking and prostitution, including a bar owned by Marcello’s brother, yet he is receiving payoffs? Carlos Marcello operated outside of Garrison’s jurisdiction as well. While Garriosn was district attorney of Orleans Parish, Marcello operated out of Jefferson Parish. Another interesting anecdote is that Marcello had confided to Governor John McKeithen that Garrison needed to be removed from office because he was considered “unreliable” simply because Garrison could not be bought (See Mellen, p. 18). And what about Garrison’s million dollar house? His papers at the Archives reveal that Garrison had taken out second and third mortgages on his home just to get by! And all people who knew Garrison knew him as a man who did not give a good ******* about money and material items. Garrison repeatedly would leave National Guard checks sitting in his desk for months at a time before cashing them at the bank. Shortly after his memoir was published by Sheridan Square Press and the distributor claimed bankruptcy and an injunction immediately froze all of Garrison’s royalties from the book. Garrison borrowed $10,000 just so he could do some local promotion. Later when Oliver Stone bought the rights to his memoir, Garrison granted his editor 10 percent of his own royalties and even cut the bankrupt publishers in on the deal! Garrison paid the final $50,000 mortgage on his home (the home that the mob sold him for $35,000) after receiving his dues as an advisor to Stone’s movie. That’s some payoff! Mr. Lowry states that I have filled my mind with “conspiracy novels”. Well, I would say that this is incorrect. I have, on the other hand, filled my mind with what I like to call cover-up novels. 27 navy blue volumes that hold the great seal of the President of the United States on its cover yet contains more fiction than an Edgar Allen Poe poem! I have familiarized myself with both sides of the spectrum, analyzing the data and drawing conclusions off of the evidence itself. That’s the key Mr. Lowry, the evidence itself. You attack my work without it having even been half-way completed, yet the sources you use insult my intelligence. Your entitled to your opinion, however, when you put it forth to be fact, I expect some endnotes that provide a much more reliable source than a McAdams website post which is all that you have used. Show me the proof. Back up what you are saying in a manner academically rather than running off at the mouth. Historical accuracy is important in a case such as this, and that is just not what I am seeing. Mitchell Warriner Notes *It’s also interesting to note that Lou Ivon is also the man who read Clay Shaw his rights when he was arrested. **See http://www.ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_5_review.html Mitchell Warriner | Nov 30, 2009 1:16 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal A Lifelong passion I am also replying to Mr. Lowry. Although where to start is a quandary. How about his inveterate use of the web site of John McAdams. Mr. McAdams is to say the least, not objective, when it comes to the JFK case. And there have been several exposes written about him. Suffice it to say, he once used a false name to attend a JFK researchers conference. Not knowing that there actually was a person in the JFK critical community who had the name of Paul Nolan, he actually used that alias. At times, he actually uses the comments on his JFK forum in lieu of references to actual books on the case. For instance, Michael Kurtz wrote an essay in Louisiana History journal in 1980 about the many connections between Oswald, Guy Banister, and David Ferrie. This was two years before he wrote his book Crime of the Century, in which he postulated that Castro killed JFK. On page 203 of that book he mentions that previous essay, and he also lists it in the bibliography and footnotes. Using a POST FROM HIS FORUM, McAdams said that Kurtz never wrote about the sightings of Oswald and Banister before he wrote his book in 1982. And when Kurtz was asked about this he allegedly replied that he did not think they were important. Obviously, for someone to use a post instead of a book is academically flawed. But clearly, the post was wrong since Kurtz HAD written about the Oswald associations before he wrote his book. He then mentioned them in the book, and he did source them in the book. Mr. Kurtz did not use them in the book to build a case for cpnspiracy because he clearly states he does not think the CIA was involved in Kennedy's assassination. Mr. McAdams has also said that Dan Campbell mentioned seeing a young man in Guy Banister's office who had the hair style of a Marine, but Campbell did not say that this was Oswald until years after he made that initial quote. The first writer that Campbell talked to on the record was Tony Summers. If you open his book, then titled "Conspiracy", and turn to page 293, you will see that Campbell does mention a young man with a Marine haircut in Banister's office. Two sentences later, Summers writes that when Oswald came on TV after the assassination, Dan realized that this was the man in Banister's office. Most rational people would not think two sentences is a long time to wait for a positive ID. This is why it is a danger to use information from that web site. Mr. Lowry seems unaware of that. Now he is warned. Let me conclude with a concrete example. Mr. Lowry uses a quote from Lou Ivon--excerpted by Mr. McAdams with no context-- saying that Garrison's investigators had not been able to identify Clay Shaw as Clay Bertrand in their visits to the French Quarter. What Mr. Lowry does not note in his post is that Mr. Garrison acknowledged this in his book. (p. 85) In her biography of Garrison, Joan Mellen explains that many bar owners resented Garrison for closing down many saloons in his attempt to shut down racketeering. Therefore they would not cooperate with him in his JFK probe. But when Garrison personally stopped going on these searches for Bertrand, they got numerous identifications of Shaw as Bertrand. Including two women who admitted that they were angry at Garrison for his anti-racketeering activities. As Bill Davy proves in his book, even the FBI knew Shaw used that alias. (Let Justice be Done p. 193) Further, an internal FBI memo shows that Shaw's name had come up in teh Bureau's December 1963 investigation of the Kennedy murder. (Ibid p. 192) Mitchell Warriner is on the right track. I look forward to his book. Jim DiEugenio James DiEugenio | Nov 28, 2009 4:25 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal Reply to Tom Lowry I must respond to the comment posted by Mr. Tom Lowry. First and foremost, I am not writing a "conspiracy book for profit," rather a historical perspective of a man who tried to get to the bottom of the truth, and put his entire career and life on the line for something that he truly believed in. In recent years, it has been proven that Clay Shaw was indeed connected with the CIA, and that the federal government was doing everything it could to torpedo Garrison's investigation and his case against Shaw. If his case were to be brought to a jury nowadays, I guarantee a conviction. The case was iron-clad. However, garrison did not have access to the documents and information that has become available only in recent years with the help of the ARRB. And why would Garrison be seeking personal advancement in life by questioning the federal government? If he was seeking a higher public office, I assure you that he would not have gotten involved with the Kennedy assassination. Nobody has a chance when you question and accuse the government in the manner that he did. I am sure that anybody in the assassination research community would agree that a book about Jim Garrison will surely not appear on the New York Times bestseller list, because the general mainstream media would much rather have a book by Gerald Posner (which you used a source) or Vincent Bugliosi's monumental tomb (1612 pages + a CD Rom of another 900 some odd pages, so heavy it could kill a small dog if dropped on it) of lies in his recent Reclaiming History. Another source that you use is John McAdams, who I believe has been thoroughly discredited most recently on Black Op Radio by author Jim DiEugenio. (See blackopradio.com archives, and listen to the debate between DiEugenio and McAdams). 1. Now, you stated that Garrison suffered from "severe and disabling psychoneurosis..." What Garrison suffered from was what is now called post traumatic stress syndrome, and the Army found no signs of pathologic personality, rather he was found to be "introverted" and "anti-social," and a "moderate degree of neurasthenia or a hypochondriasis" caused by a "over-solicitous mother" (Medical Report by 1st Lt. Marshall Fowler and see FBI document 89-69-3250, AF 124-10251-10247, both documents in my possession). Using Garrison's medical record has long been a tactic by critics, but they fail to mention that this was shortly after World War II when Garrison was getting ready to be sent to Korea. Garrison had already been a pilot flying "grasshoppers" in Germany which flew toward the enemy as closely as possible until he was shot at. Garrison also was among the liberators of Dachau, and was haunted by what he had seen. Talk to any man who has seen combat, and I assure you that a majority of them have suffered the same syndrome as Garrison. Now, exactly, what does this have to do with the investigation of Jim Garrison? This is only used as a tool to do a hatchet-job on Garrison. 2. Oliver Stone's movie "JFK" was just that: a movie. But he certainly went a lot further to the truth then the Warren Commission. Now the "cloud of smoke" scenario included in the film was drawn off of the statements and testimony of witnesses, and all these statements can be found in, brace yourself everybody: THE WARREN COMMISSION REPORT and accompanying 26 volumes. (i.e. witnesses: S.M. Holland, O.V. Campbell, Joseph Smith.)I recommend Oliver Stone and Zachary Sklar's book "JFK: The Book of the Film" which details and sources every scene from the movie. 3. The "magic bullet" theory has been proven to be anatomically impossible. Not only is it false, it is a proven lie. Just go to the final chapter of this link: http://www.und.edu/org/jfkconference/, which speaks for itself. Professor Jim Fetzer and Dr. David W. Mantik have already tore apart this issue, so much that it takes the stance of humpty-dumpty, the thesis can never be put back together again. Admiral Burkley, JFK's personal physician composed a death certificate on JFK, which said he had been “struck in the head” by one shot and that “a second wound occurred at the posterior back at about the level of the third thoracic vertebra.”(Which turns out to be approximately 5 1/2 inches below the collar to the right of the spinal column.) He added that the head wound involved “evisceration of the right hemisphere of the brain.” My friend (sarcastically) Gerald Ford had the backwound changed to the base of the back of the neck, thus granting the fairy tale that one bullet killed the President. Since he admitted that it had been changed, how do you explain the "magic bullet theory"? It sounds like you have a little bit more research to do Mr. Lowry. Perhaps, I recommend the entire 26 volumes of hearings and exhibits, and just compare it to what has been written in the main report, and tell me if it adds up! On top of that, go through the mountain of documents that have been released, and then come back and tell me that I am wrong! If Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy, then I must have been the one to murder President Lincoln. Mitchell Warriner | Nov 11, 2009 11:14 pm | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal Rebuttal of some of the more outlandish claims made by Mitchell ! [My reply bold face and bracketed] Part 1 Jim Garrison : Mr. Mitchell Warriner : "a historical perspective of a man who tried to get to the bottom of the truth, and put his entire career and life on the line for something that he truly believed in" This is almost breathtaking in it's absurdity , even taking into account that his belief without proof is proof of nothing but his opinion , which in turn is no proof of anything at all . And if your thesis is correct and true his own investigators that commented on him are calling him a liar ! : .John * : "Garrison's entire case was based on the belief that Clay Shaw, using the alias "Clay Bertrand" conspired to kill Kennedy" Garrison's chief investigator, Lou Ivon wrote after canvasing the city for Bertrand : "The information I received was negative results" Garrison's Assistant DA Andrew "Moo-Moo" Sciambra : He admitted to author Edward Jay Epstein that he failed to find any "Bertrand." See Epstein's The Assassination Chronicles (New York, 1992), p. 196. : Needless to say Garrison buried the results and went ahead in his Soviet Style Show Trial . http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm .John : How Big a Conspiracy? Sound logic says that any conspiracy theory, to be credible, must include only a limited number of people ... the list of all the groups and individuals he implicated is pretty long" lame and laughable : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/suspects.htm IOW's if you have 50 individuals that are implicated with the evidence equal for all 50 as being guilty you have evidence that's no good at all **. I find it typical of Conspiracy Theorists to not know that you don't do things backasswards by exculpating the guilty in order to incriminate the innocent . This is one of the main reasons we have a list of 'The Men Who Didn't Kill Kennedy' *** and it's reached to the Moon . Well you ask , that's the opposition's story . OK lets take a look at what fellow conspiracists say about 'Big Jimbo' : David Lifton (Best Evidence) brought forth Kerry Thornley , a fellow Oswald Marine buddy to help with Garrison's case . Nutcase Garrison almost immediately tried to arrest him and thought he was a Oswald look alike . Shocked Lifton got him out of town asap , away from the maniacal maniac of misplaced malpractice and commented later : "I think its ugly when the power of the state is arrayed against an innocent man — and the witchhunt that took place in New Orleans back in 1967-69 will always remain exactly that : an ugly incident in the annals of jurisprudence" . For the entire scoop : Is Jim Garrison Out of His Mind by David Lifton ? : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/lifton1.htm Patricia Lambert **** has written the definative debunking of Garrison's neurological fiasco in a excellent book with fine scholarship called : 'False Witness'. Mr. Mitchell Warriner might take heed to study her book first and the Bible second for he's attempting to disobey one of the Lords most important Commandments : "Thou Shall Not Bear 'False Witness' Against Thy Neighbor" . While in the neighborhood I say , I must comment on Garrison's intuative ability's to be able see hidden assassin's 100's of miles away behind a picket fence in Dealey Plaza but not being able to see that Carlos Marcellos , one of the biggest Mafia leaders in the United States , was working right under his own nose in New Orleans . He denied his existence his entire life IMO to squeeze Marcellos for a extra tasty profit which happened to be a million dollar 'Palacial House' purchased after the trial from a Marcellos contractor front man for the poultry sum of $35,000 . Emphasis on the con . While on the subject of con's and bribery , and not knowing ones local history **** also , Garrison was on the take from Marcellos operations in New Orleans , the city that gave us Huey Long . I trust Mr. Mitchell Warriner doesn't have a short memory , do you remember Huey Long Mitchell , the closest this country ever got to having a dictator ? They play it nice and loose in that town and most would agree that Garrison wasn't satisfied with the kickbacks he was receiving from Marcellos operations . The question has now been answered on why he drug David Ferrie (Marcellos pilot) into the fray (Make Marcellos sweat it out). He died early on , but that didn't stop Garrison from switching gears , his conclusion of conspiracy could be fashioned to fit any scenario he so pleased . Closet homosexual Clay Shaw would be his next target . I can see this is going to take several posts , the indictment against Garrison is already fool-proof , to everyone except Mitchell who has apparently read nothing but conspiracy novels all his life : "In recent years, it has been proven that Clay Shaw was indeed connected with the CIA" Clay Shaw for the N.O. International Trade Mart , like 1000's of other people who travelled behind the Iron Curtain , had to fill out a standard CIA Form , upon return to this country , that requested info. on whether he had been contacted by any (KGB) enemy agents and asked to spy for them . This no doubt makes him a CIA agent . Non-sense ! Ever notice how it takes a billion pages to debunk conspiracy non-sense ? Whats worse is attempting to rehash old worn out conspiracy non-sense . Mr. Mitchell Warriner IMO is not in any position , way shape or form to even start writing a book on the Garrison case for he's 'Clueless in New Orlean's' and has been apparently sleeping when conspiracy was debunked as Tall-Tales long ago . I don't believe this will deter him , his absurdity's are only exceeded by his state of denial . Tom Lowry cdddraftsman@yahoo.com Keynotes : * .John refer's to John McAdam's : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm ** The jury agree's with this assessment taking 50 min. to deliberate . This includes a buffet lunch and bathroom breaks . Garrison distances himself early , shows up twice , once in the beginning and once at the end of the trial . Garrison proceed's to persecute Clay Shaw further (For pergury) until by Court Order he is prevented from harrassing an innocent victim of his "disabling psychoneurosis" : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shaw4.htm or as .John puts it : "Does many suspects in the assassnation mean that some of them must have conspired killing JFK ? Or does it indicate the weakness of Conspiracy Theory's? In real-world criminal investigations having literally dozens of suspects is an indication that the probe is in very deep and serious trouble. The evidence isn't converging to point to one suspect or a few suspects who may have conspired. The evidence against one suspect is about as good as the evidence against any other : Which means it's no good at all". *** Mr. Mitchell Warriner will stand in good steed I trust with fellow CTer Nigel Turner (TMWKK) and his denial syndrome . After accusing three individuals of being 'Corsican Hit Men' , reporters found one named Pironti , then a 80ish frail retiree living in France who denied the allegations by blinking unbelievability and commenting : "The only thing I know about Dallas is what I watch on the TV series with Mr. JR Ewing" . Asked why he (Turner) didn't interview Pironti before making the allegations he didn't blink an eye , looked reporters straight in the face , and with a seriousness akin to Garrison's outragious belief for the safety of his own person responded : "I thought it would be too dangerous". Teehehehehehe ! What a hooter ! If it wasn't for moments like this of extreme side splitting laughter at CTer's who propose the incredibly lame , I would get out of debunking JFK Conspiracy myths completely and here's a amplification on these thoughts : "The intellectual habits of the conspiracy researchers" : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bethell.htm **** While on the subject of history Dave Powers commented that JFK ***** reveiled to him that he never even knew about the 'Great Depression' until he read about it in a high school text book . Someone pinch me ... that's depressing , so to speak . ***** More tasty tidbits ploinked from the cherry tree's of Dealey Plaza : JFK launched his political career on the basis of being a 'War Hero' ? Really ? Yes really . Amazing until I checked and it turns out that he remains famous in the US Navy ... gulp ... for being the only skipper to have his PT Boat command rammed and sunk by an Enemy Destroyer in the entire Pacific Campaign of WW 2 . What I really wish is that if hoaxers ****** are going to make someone into what they never were in reality , they should choose a person worthy of this honor . But what do I know about history , I lived through the assassination and was studying this case by the mid 1960's ? ****** I wouldn't want to classify Mitchell as a hoaxer before he's even published his book , but criminal behavior on Garrison's part is no laughing matter . Mitchell agree's he had some sort of mental incapacity . This alone would preclude anyone but professionals that deal in these kinds of extreme cases to comment on them . That's the bottom line , amatuers commenting on subjects they're unqualified to render judgment upon which in turn adds to the pile that constitutes conspiracy literature as the largest single mass body of fraudulent work ever created on any one given subject . Mitchell's time would be better spent finding a way of keeping JFK's memory alive that didn't postulate divergent testimony and evidence as proof of a conspiracy that even honest left wing liberal historians ******* have now dismissed as being rubbish . ******* Want proof ? : Unlike reputable historians , (Reeves , Reaves , Kranoff , when you look inside any conspiracy book for aknowledgements , credits , resource pages that explain where they started their research from , who proof read and made suggestions for improvements etc..... Like in Jim Garrison's book : 'On the Trail of the Assassin's', it's totally nonexistent ! Sure fire sign that it's a creation "out of his mind" and a attempt to perpetrate a JFK Assassination Tragedy Conspiracy Hoax . Put that on your check list Mitchell . Without credible historical backup (And I don't mean research based upon fellow CTer's) you're going to be pegged as a hoaxer , unworthy of even scorn or publication . Maybe by writing about Garrison you can prove conspiracy's happen after all ? Wink wink , nod nod :-( tom lowry | Nov 14, 2009 3:17 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal (No heading) This subject would of been topical 20 years ago in the hayday when 'The Great JFK Assassination Tragedy Conspiracy Hoaxing of America' was in full swing and people actually bought conspiracy literature . Being today and most people too embarrassed to admit they were conned it has become a 'Political Abstraction' not worthy of another line , let alone a book on Jim Garrison * who trampled on the rights of Clay Shaw by persecuting him , for personal profit and self aggrandizement : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm That Oliver Stone , Shaws Hollywood prosecutor , had 100 verifiable 'Big Whoppers' in the movie 'JFK' aside : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfkmovie.htm that movie can be aptly summed up in one example : "Oliver Stone could not find a rifle that would emit the necessary 'cloud of smoke' ** when fired from the grassy knoll , and so he resorted to having a special-effects man blow smoke from a bellows . Many consider this an appropriate metaphor for the entire movie" *** . Mr. Mitchell Warriner I hope and pray for him best wishes , but as far as writing another conspiracy book for profit , conspiracy literature already constitutes the largest body of fraudulent work **** ever created on one single subject , which in turn has caused the largest mass failure in thinking ever recorded by mankind . IMO I don't think that adding to that Mt. Everest would serve anyone any good at this late date . Comments ? Tom Lowry cdddraftsman@yahoo.com Keynotes : * Clinical Psychopathology? In 1952, Jim Garrison was relieved of duty in the National Guard. Doctors at the Brooke Army Hospital in Texas diagnosed him as suffering from a "severe and disabling psychoneurosis" which "interfered with his social and professional adjustment to a marked degree." The evaluation further said that Garrison "is considered totally incapacitated from the standpoint of military duty and moderately incapacitated in civilian adaptability," and recommended long-term psychotherapy. See Case Closed, p. 423. ** Modern 'smokeless powder' does not emit 'Puffs of Smoke' and hasn't since the advent of 'smokeless powder' many decades ago . Stone evidently didn't want the truth getting in the way of telling an 'interesting story'. Sad faces all around . *** Quote Prof. John McAdams who runs the number one web site in the world on the JFK Assassination and where most of this info. comes from : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm **** Conspiracy literature postulates many different assassination scenario's : By inference if you cannot clearly articulate one particular scenario in a event , then promote several different mutually exclusive scenario's to replace the current scientifically accepted theory ***** , than a person has no other alternative but to assume that the prognosicators are peddling a multiplicity of non-sense to cause confusion in order to keep the case unsolved by way of perpetrating a 'JFK Assassination Tragedy Conspiracy Hoax' . ***** The Warren Report and HSCA concured that LHO bought the gun that fired the shots that killed JFK and he was most likely his assassin (All solid physical evidence stored at the National Archives confirms this) , the 'Lone Gunman Thesis and SBT' remain intact while conspiracists only offer a bewildering riot of misinformation and disinformation based upon taking the US Governments conclusions 'Out of Context'. tom lowry | Nov 11, 2009 5:09 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal

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