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Published: Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Detectives consider slaps to father lethal

A Lynnwood man is held on $1 million bail after he allegedly fought with his father, who later died of a brain injury.

EDMONDS — Detectives say an 88-year-old man died last week after his son slapped him hard enough to cause a fatal brain injury.

Snohomish County sheriff’s detectives on Sunday arrested Harold Lloyd, 56, of Lynnwood for investigation of second-degree murder, according to a police affidavit filed Monday in Everett District Court. He was ordered held in Snohomish County Jail on $1 million bail.

On Thanksgiving day, Lloyd and his two college-age children went to his parents’ home in unincorporated Edmonds for the holiday, according to court paperwork.

Lloyd’s daughter told him that her grandfather touched her inappropriately while she was helping him with his computer, court documents said. Lloyd gathered his son and daughter to leave the house. When family members were saying goodbye, Lloyd saw his father grope his 21-year-old daughter, according to a court document.

On Nov. 28, Lloyd went back to his parents’ house to talk to his father. He told his stepmother to stay in the bedroom. He found his father in the living room watching TV and confronted him. The older man denied groping his granddaughter and told Lloyd to get out of the house.

Lloyd reportedly became angry and slapped his father with his left hand hard enough to knock out the older man’s hearing aid from his left ear. The two continued arguing. Lloyd slapped his father with the other hand, sending the second hearing aid flying across the room.

The older man’s wife intervened and Lloyd left.

The older man allegedly had two black eyes and complained of a headache, but the couple didn’t call police or seek medical attention. His wife also found bruises on his arms.

A few days later, the man became ill. His wife called 911 and he was rushed to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Rebecca Hover said.

The man died early Wednesday. Doctors reportedly concluded his fatal injuries were caused by blows to his head.

The Snohomish County Medical Examiner’s Office was scheduled to perform an autopsy on Monday.

Katya Yefimova:425-339-3452, kyefimova@heraldnet.com.

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actual definition for Murder 2, from the RCWs...just thought I'd throw that out there...
RCW 9A.32.050
Murder in the second degree.

(1) A person is guilty of murder in the second degree when:

(a) With intent to cause the death of another person but without premeditation, he or she causes the death of such person or of a third person; or

(b) He or she commits or attempts to commit any felony, including assault, other than those enumerated in RCW 9A.32.030(1)(c), and, in the course of and in furtherance of such crime or in immediate flight therefrom, he or she, or another participant, causes the death of a person other than one of the participants; except that in any prosecution under this subdivision (1)(b) in which the defendant was not the only participant in the underlying crime, if established by the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence, it is a defense that the defendant:

(i) Did not commit the homicidal act or in any way solicit, request, command, importune, cause, or aid the commission thereof; and

(ii) Was not armed with a deadly weapon, or any instrument, article, or substance readily capable of causing death or serious physical injury; and

(iii) Had no reasonable grounds to believe that any other participant was armed with such a weapon, instrument, article, or substance; and

(iv) Had no reasonable grounds to believe that any other participant intended to engage in conduct likely to result in death or serious physical injury.

(2) Murder in the second degree is a class A felony.

nunya business | Dec 9, 2009 9:08 pm | 0 replies | Request removal

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Ignorance...
I actually believe you are thr ignorant individual here Shelly. You said yourself that the article does not go into details of the man's history. So no one reading this article and being unfamiliar with the persons in the incident can say that he did or did not have a history of inappropriate behavior.

On another point, murder in this state must show intent in the person's actions. The son clearly did not intend to end his father's life. Yes he killed his father and should be made accountable for that crime. Murder however is not the charge to throw out when his crime does not fit that term. I believe that you meant to use the term "manslaughter". In my opinion, I am not even sure he fits the definition of Manslaughter in the First Degree either.

So before you go off on another person for their personal opinion, make sure you check the mirror and do not look like the pot calling the kettle black.

Allen Rountree | Dec 8, 2009 10:02 am | 0 replies | Request removal

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Dementia
The article doesn't go into any of the old man's life other than what happened to him and what led up to it. WE don't know if this guy had a history of groping young women; the article doesn't say.

A friend of mine took care of her Dad several years ago when he couldn't care for himself any longer. He began to develop dementia. Over time he began playing "grab a**" with her. In spite of her attempts to get him to stop, he continued the behavior.

I lived close by her and knew her Dad 20 years ago, before he began this decline in mental and physical health. HE NEVER HAD A HISTORY OF GROPING. She knew his behavior was because of his declining mental health, and had to make the heart wrenching decision to place him in a facility where he could be properly cared for.

CME, you are ignorant. This is a horrible tragedy. This guy was murdered by his son.

Shelly Nehring | Dec 8, 2009 8:35 am | 0 replies | Request removal

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The Creepy Grandfather ---sometimes you can end family abuse with a slap
Who would hit their 88-yr-old father after he groped his grandkid? ME! And i sure as heck hope YOU!

Trust me, this dirty old man probably has been groping young adults for years. I assume the kids refered to him as the "creepy grandfather" as they grew up. Makes me wonder how many innocent employees this guy "groped" in the office, before he retired, & how many of them he had fired?

I would like to think of this as a case of Parricide, if you are unfamilliar with that term, Google the word, or look it up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parricide

cme everett | Dec 8, 2009 3:17 am | 0 replies | Request removal

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Physical Violence
This is a very fine gentleman, who, if convicted of the charges, should be subjected to "Bubba" at Walla Walla for about 20 years, give or take. Pukeball!
a johnson | Dec 8, 2009 1:18 am | 0 replies | Request removal

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