Kindred CTO and founder Suzanne Gildert (left), and CEO and founder Geordie Rose sit with Thormang, a full scale humanoid robot used for research, at the company’s offices in Vancouver, B.C., on October 19. (Bloomberg / Darryl Dyck)

Kindred CTO and founder Suzanne Gildert (left), and CEO and founder Geordie Rose sit with Thormang, a full scale humanoid robot used for research, at the company’s offices in Vancouver, B.C., on October 19. (Bloomberg / Darryl Dyck)

Vancouver firm is teaching its robots to be more like people

Bloomberg

VANCOUVER, B.C. — You’ve ordered a robot online and are booting it up at home. At first the bot doesn’t do much of anything; it simply follows you around and observes your daily routine: walking the dog, making lasagna, washing the dishes. But before long the bot has learned to be your surrogate, shouldering quotidian tasks so you can focus on more interesting ones.

That’s the world envisioned by Suzanne Gildert and Geordie Rose. They run Kindred, an ultra-secretive artificial intelligence company based in Vancouver and funded in part by Google’s venture capital arm.

Gildert and Rose started Kindred on the principle that the best way to make robots as smart as humans, is to put them in our shoes, and teach them to learn the same way we do. With the help of an all-star advisory board of AI experts, Kindred is already making progress toward that audacious goal.

“Humans and AIs working together to control robots are always better than either by themselves,” said Rose, dressed in a black T-shirt and blazer at Kindred’s office, located in a brick heritage building across from the athletes village built for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

Teaching computers to learn on their own is the core aim of AI research. The world’s largest tech companies, including Facebook, Google and China’s Baidu, are all racing to develop the best techniques.

There have been breakthroughs in speech and image recognition, but machines still struggle to handle basic physical tasks such as grasping objects. Improving robots’ physical dexterity is the first problem Kindred is trying to tackle.

Gildert, a physicist by training, came up with the idea of using human control to train robot algorithms while working at D-Wave, a Rose-founded company that’s become a force in quantum computing, an esoteric technology that bypasses physical laws to crunch data faster than traditional machines. Gildert was trying to figure out the best way to train machines how to move like humans but, unlike image recognition algorithms that can tap into reams of pictures on the web, there wasn’t an obvious set of training data.

“That doesn’t exist,” Gildert said. “The light bulb moment was, ‘well, a human could supply that training data by moving the robot and if you want good training data you need an immersive situation.”’

Gildert and Rose left D-Wave in 2014 to found Kindred. Since then they’ve assembled some 50 robots for testing purposes. In a typical experiment, a human operator wears a virtual reality headset to “see” what the robot is seeing and uses handheld controllers to help the machine pick up an object. Every time the human helps the bot, the algorithms use the data to learn and make the machine smarter over time.

The technique lets robots do things they can’t do right now on their own while simultaneously making them more capable, Rose said. Eventually, he says, the techniques could be applied to more abstract tasks, like learning how to make someone laugh or intuit how they’re feeling. He calls the current technology “proto-intelligences” akin to great-great-grandparents of what one day will be true, human-level AI.

Rose assembled his team, which has grown to include 34 people spread over offices in Vancouver, Toronto and San Francisco, by drawing on contacts he made while selling D-Wave’s multimillion-dollar machines to Google, the U.S. government and other organizations. Kindred’s advisory board includes such heavyweights as Russ Salakhutdinov, who recently became Apple’s director of AI research.

“Very rarely do you see this level of top-50 people in the deep learning space in one company,” said Andy Wheeler, a partner at Google Ventures who led the firm’s investment in Kindred.

At some point, Kindred plans to publish its findings in academic journals or present them at conferences, a practice AI researchers employ to validate their breakthroughs and invite others to build on them. “Obviously it’s too early to say is this definitely the way we get to real machine intelligence,” Wheeler said. But Kindred’s unique approach and all-star team convinced him to invest. The company has attracted $15 million from investors. Along with Google, they include Eclipse, Data Collective, First Round Capital and Bloomberg Beta, the venture capital arm of Bloomberg LP. Kindred declined to comment on its valuation.

Kindred is now focusing on bringing its work into the real world through partnerships with existing industrial robotics companies, said Rose, who declined to discuss specific discussions or agreements. “We saw an opportunity to use that existing base of robots that will be out there in the world in their hundreds of thousands,” Gildert said.

Take the role of sorting boxes in a warehouse run by Amazon or Wal-Mart. A single human operator could be plugged into multiple robots, stepping in when they run into a problem but otherwise letting them pick up and re-arrange the boxes on their own. The more robots Kindred can plug into, the more data it will have to train its algorithms on, creating a snowball effect, Gildert said.

Eventually, the company’s technology could be used to help make multi-purpose robots that can learn any task — from packing groceries to conducting a symphony to cheering up someone who’s sad — simply by watching how humans do those things.

“The opportunity here to build general-purpose machines that have the plethora of capabilities that humans have is unprecedented,” Rose said.

Talk to us

> Give us your news tips.

> Send us a letter to the editor.

> More Herald contact information.

More in Business

Nichole Webber: Drawing up plays for athletes and politics

The communications director for the city of Everett believes leadership is rooted in honesty, integrity and selfless commitment to others.

2025 Emerging Leader DeLon Lewis (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
DeLon Lewis: Helping students succeed

Program specialist for Everett Community College believes leadership is about building bridges.

2025 Emerging Leader Natalie Given (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Natalie Given: Building trust and communicating concerns

Everett Police Department’s Public Information Officer builds relationship and better communication.

2025 Emerging Leader Scott Hulme (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Scott Hulme: Standing up for downtown

Business development manager for the Downtown Everett Association brings property owners, tenants and city leaders together.

2025 Emerging Leader Anthony Hawley (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Anthony Hawley: Creating friendships and filling pantries

Since 2021, Hawley has increased donations to Lake Stevens Community Food Bank through fundraising and building donor relationships.

2025 Emerging Leader Rick Flores (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Rick Flores: Learning lessons from marching band

Directs the Mathematics, Engineering, Science Achievement program at WSU Everett helps underrepresented students with tutoring, specialized courses, mentorship and support networks.

2025 Emerging Leader Melinda Cervantes (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Melinda Cervantes: Making sure every voice is heard

Prolific volunteer facilitates connections between Spanish-speaking public representatives and community members.

2025 Emerging Leader Megan Kemmett (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Megan Kemmett: Seeking solutions to any problem or obstacle

Executive director of Snohomish Community Food Bank overcomes obstacles to keep people fed.

2025 Emerging Leader Kellie Lewis (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Kellie Lewis: Bringing community helpers together

Edmonds Food Bank’s marketing and communications director fosters connections to help others.

2025 Emerging Leader Christina Strand (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Christina Strand: Helping people on the move

Community engagement specialist believes biking, walking and public transit can have a positive impact.

Samantha Love: Creating a community

The autism testing specialist works with families, schools and community organizations to break barriers, end waiting lists and provide services.

Support local journalism

If you value local news, make a gift now to support the trusted journalism you get in The Daily Herald. Donations processed in this system are not tax deductible.