Republican nominee Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana and Democratic nominee Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia walk off the stage after the vice-presidential debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, on Tuesday. (AP Photo/David Goldman)

Republican nominee Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana and Democratic nominee Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia walk off the stage after the vice-presidential debate at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, on Tuesday. (AP Photo/David Goldman)

Pence and Kaine clash in fiery vice presidential debate

By Philip Rucker and Jose A. DelReal

The Washington Post

FARMVILLE, Va. — Indiana Gov. Mike Pence sought to stabilize his Republican campaign by accusing the Democratic ticket of the same insult tactics and raw partisanship that have been a hallmark of Donald Trump’s candidacy as he faced off against Sen. Tim Kaine here Tuesday night in a combative and at times grating vice-presidential debate.

With Trump reeling from self-inflicted controversies at a critical juncture in the campaign, Pence projected a steadier temperament than Trump and largely ducked Kaine’s demands to answer for the GOP nominee’s incendiary actions and statements.

But Pence made numerous statements that conflicted with positions taken by Trump. He suggested that Trump would not immediately deport all undocumented immigrants, that he believes military action is warranted to help the besieged Syrian city of Aleppo and that Russia is a dangerous country that must be dealt with aggressively by the United States.

ADVERTISEMENT
0 seconds of 0 secondsVolume 0%
Press shift question mark to access a list of keyboard shortcuts
00:00
00:00
00:00
 

Pence on several instances denied statements that Trump had made in the past, including his assertion that NATO is “obsolete” and his suggestion that Putin is a “stronger” leader than President Barack Obama. Pence repeatedly accused Kaine and Clinton of running “an insult-driven campaign.”

Kaine’s retort: “I’m just saying facts about your running mate.”

The first and only debate between the vice-presidential nominees, a 90-minute forum on the campus of Longwood University, showcased the two tickets’ vastly divergent plans, from illegal immigration to foreign policy.

Pence injected a number of traditional conservative priorities — abortion, taxes and entitlements — to help reassure Republicans who have misgivings about Trump’s populist agenda.

Kaine and Pence sparred vigorously over Trump’s avowed affinity for Russian President Vladimir Putin. Pence called Putin “a small, bullying leader,” but Kaine repeatedly reminded viewers that Trump has praised the Russian’s leadership style.

“If you mistake leadership for dictatorship,” Kaine said, “you can’t be commander in chief.”

Kaine sought to put Pence on the defensive by bringing up Trump’s attacks on Mexican immigrants, dismissive comments about prisoners of war and years of falsely questioning President Obama’s birthplace.

“If you want to have a society where people are respected or respect laws, you can’t have a person at the top who demeans every group he talks about,” Kaine said.

Kaine repeatedly mentioned Trump’s comments in his 2015 campaign announcement speech that some Mexicans were “rapists” and “criminals.”

“Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again,” Pence said.

Kaine countered, “Can you defend it?”

“I couldn’t be more proud to be standing with Donald Trump,” Pence said.

Pence refused to be baited into a point-by-point discussion of Trump’s controversies. Rather, he drove a pointed contrast between the economic policies and worldviews of Trump and Hillary Clinton, arguing that she and Kaine “want more of the same.”

Responding to Kaine’s comments about the improving economy, Pence said: “Honestly, senator, you can roll out the numbers and the sunny side, but I’ve got to tell you: People in Scranton know different. People in Fort Wayne know different. People are struggling.”

The two men, who sat around a table with moderator Elaine Quijano of CBS News, displayed different strategies and mannerisms. Kaine was aggressive, interrupting and hurling rehearsed insults at Pence, while the Indiana governor was calmer, spoke in homespun language and counterpunched with an edge of disdain for Kaine’s tactics.

A number of times, Kaine delivered the kind of catchy one-liners commonly delivered at debates. “Do you want a ‘You’re hired’ president in Hillary Clinton or do you want a ‘You’re fired’ president in Donald Trump?”

Pence replied: “I appreciated the ‘You’re hired,’ ‘you’re fired,’ thing, senator. You use that a whole lot. And I think your running mate used a lot of pre-done lines.”

Tuesday’s debate came at a critical juncture in the presidential race. With five weeks until Election Day, Trump has been reeling from his rocky performance during last week’s first presidential debate in Hempstead, New York. In the days that followed, he took a combative posture and at times displayed erratic behavior.

Trump attacked Clinton in strikingly personal terms at campaign rallies, including imitating her unsteadiness at a public appearance during a bout with pneumonia, and he suggested without evidence that she had been disloyal to her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

On stage in Farmville, the No. 2s showed different styles than the candidates at the top of their tickets. Both talked movingly about their personal faith, something Clinton and Trump rarely do, for example.

Kaine and Pence clashed over criminal justice policies in light of the recent spate of police shootings of black men. Waxing about his uncle, who was a career cop in Chicago, Pence called for unity behind law enforcement and accused Clinton and Kaine of politicizing shootings.

Kaine responded by saying, “If you’re afraid to have the discussion, you’ll never solve it.” He added, “I can’t believe that you are defending the position that there’s no bias.”

Pence was asked about a New York Times report, which relied on leaked pages from Trump’s 1995 tax returns, which showed that Trump had claimed a $916 million loss — and might have been able to avoid federal income taxes for up to 18 years. Pence did not make any claim that Trump had paid federal income taxes.

“His tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code the way it was meant to be used, and he used it brilliantly,” Pence said.

Pence repeated what Trump has said — that he would release the tax returns, but only when an Internal Revenue Service audit is over.

The IRS has said that there is no legal prohibition on releasing taxes while they are under audit.

Talk to us

> Give us your news tips.

> Send us a letter to the editor.

> More Herald contact information.

More in Local News

Students from Explorer Middle School gather Wednesday around a makeshift memorial for Emiliano “Emi” Munoz, who died Monday, May 5, after an electric bicycle accident in south Everett. (Aspen Anderson / The Herald)
Community and classmates mourn death of 13-year-old in bicycle accident

Emiliano “Emi” Munoz died from his injuries three days after colliding with a braided cable.

Danny Burgess, left, and Sandy Weakland, right, carefully pull out benthic organisms from sediment samples on Thursday, May 1, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
‘Got Mud?’ Researchers monitor the health of the Puget Sound

For the next few weeks, the state’s marine monitoring team will collect sediment and organism samples across Puget Sound

Everett postal workers gather for a portrait to advertise the Stamp Out Hunger Food Drive on Wednesday, May 7, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Snohomish County letter carriers prepare for food drive this Saturday

The largest single-day food drive in the country comes at an uncertain time for federal food bank funding.

Everett
Everett considers ordinance to require more apprentice labor

It would require apprentices to work 15% of the total labor hours for construction or renovation on most city projects over $1 million.

Snohomish County prosecutor Kara Van Slyck delivers closing statement during the trial of Christian Sayre at the Snohomish County Courthouse on Thursday, May 8, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Jury deliberations begin in the fourth trial of former Everett bar owner

Jury members deliberated for about 2 hours before Snohomish County Superior Court Judge Millie Judge sent them home until Monday.

Christian Sayre sits in the courtroom before the start of jury selection on Tuesday, April 29, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Christian Sayre timeline

FEBRUARY 2020 A woman reports a sexual assault by Sayre. Her sexual… Continue reading

Helion's 6th fusion prototype, Trenta, on display on Tuesday, July 9, 2024 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Helion celebrates smoother path to fusion energy site approval

Helion CEO applauds legislation signed by Gov. Bob Ferguson expected to streamline site selection process.

Everett Historic Theater owner Curtis Shriner inside the theater on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Historic Everett Theatre sale on horizon, future uncertain

With expected new ownership, events for July and August will be canceled. The schedule for the fall and beyond is unclear.

A “SAVE WETLANDS” poster is visible under an seat during a public hearing about Critical Area Regulations Update on ordinance 24-097 on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 in Everett, Washington. (Olivia Vanni / The Herald)
Snohomish County Council passes controversial critical habitat ordinance

People testified for nearly two hours, with most speaking in opposition to the new Critical Areas Regulation.

An apartment building under construction in Olympia, Washington in January 2025. (Photo by Bill Lucia/Washington State Standard)
Next stop for Washington housing: More construction near transit

Noticed apartment buildings cropping up next to bus and light rail stations?… Continue reading

Jacquelyn Jimenez Romero / Washington State Standard
Lt Gov. Denny Heck presiding over the Senate floor on April 27.
Washington tries to maintain B.C. ties amid Trump era tensions

Lt. Gov. Denny Heck and others traveled to Victoria to set up an interparliamentary exchange with British Columbia, and make clear they’re not aligned with the president’s policies or rhetoric.

Marysville
Marysville talks middle housing at open house

City planning staff say they want a ‘soft landing’ to limit the impacts of new state housing laws. But they don’t expect their approach to slow development.

Support local journalism

If you value local news, make a gift now to support the trusted journalism you get in The Daily Herald. Donations processed in this system are not tax deductible.